Who should we support: Russia, Ukraine, or Neither? Michael discusses the question with Admiral James Stavridis, a retired four-star Navy officer who once served as the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO. Now he is Partner and Vice Chairman, Global Affairs of The Carlyle Group, and Chair of the Board of Trustees of the Rockefeller Foundation. Hear his latest analysis of what is happening in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and US President Trump hosting the president of Ukraine in Washington, DC last week. Original air date 4 March 2025.